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The official state policy in Nazi Germany was to evacuate the Jews, there is written evidence of this, of the plans to send the Jews to Madagascar, of course this did not happen because of the war. There is not a single document with Hitler’s signature authorizing the extermination of the Jews.
The only real ‘proof’ of the holocaust, are the confessions, most notably by Rudolf Hoess, where he admits to the extermination of 2.5 million Jews by gas chamber at Auschwitz. Hoess had been beaten and drugged with alcohol for several days before he signed the confession. Rupert Butler confirms such treatment of captured Germans in his book, ‘Legions of Death’, and has to say about the confession:
“Suffice it to say here that this so-called "confession" was written in English, and that Hoess did not speak or even understand English.”
Another German official who confessed to such, is Julius Streicher. In ‘Streicher Opens His Case’ published in the London Times, April 27 1946, he reported that the Americans kept him naked in an unheated cell and that he was made to drink from the latrine, guards forced his mouth open with a stick so they could spit in his mouth, and that he was beaten so badly he lost 40% of his hearing.
This information was removed from the transcripts of the Nuremburg Trial with the consent of the president of the Tribunal.
Judge Edward L. Van Rhoden wrote in his commission ‘American Atrocities in Germany’ (1949) that there were mock trials, fake confessions by fake ‘priests’, beatings, hoodings, and more, to get forced confessions out of prisoners.
American investigators at the U.S. Court in Dachau, Germany, used the following methods to obtain confessions:
“Beatings and brutal kickings. Knocking out teeth and breaking jaws. Mock trials. Solitary confinement. Posturing as priests. Very limited rations. Spiritual deprivation. Promises of acquittal (ed. expl: if the victim implicated fellow prisoners to corroborate the Allied trial scenarios) . . . All but two of the Germans, in the 139 cases we investigated, had been kicked in the testicles beyond repair." (Did Six Million Really Die? Report of the Evidence in the Canadian "False News" Trial of Ernst Zündel - 1988, Edited by Barbara Kulaszka, pp 44-45)
None of the obtained confessions would permissible in any US court.
As I said, there was no order from Hitler to exterminate the Jews, and today, the Holocaust Promotion Lobby admits this.
Dr. Raul Hilberg, widely regarded as the ‘#1 Holocaust expert’ claimed that Hitler did in fact order the Jews to be exterminated, and in his book, "The Destruction of the European Jews", stated there were two orders from Hitler. However, in the edition of this book published in 1985, the mention of such an order is reduced to a mere footnote which reads:
"Thus came about not so much a plan being carried out, but an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus, mind-reading by a far-flung bureaucracy." (mind-reading!?)
There are a number of other things missing too, such as a budget for the extermination, an experts report confirming a weapon such as a gas extermination chambers, or an autopsy confirming any corpse to be the victim of poison gas.
The gas which is claimed to have been used on the Jews was Zyklon-B. We know the Nazi’s had lots of it because of the invoices, and yes, they used it on the Jews, just as they used it on their own troops, just as the US Army used it until the 1970’s.
Zyklon-B was very useful for killing vermin and ridding people of lice that carried diseases such as typhus.
There are invoices to prove that there was also Zyklon-B at concentration camps such as Oranienburg and Theresienstadt, where there are no claims of gassing people.
Of course, Zyklon-B is highly toxic and could be used to kill people, the actual ‘gas chambers’ themselves put extreme doubt that they ever were used as gas chambers.
People claimed that there were powerful ventilators to remove the gas so that the bodies could be removed. Such ventilation systems are in place at gas chambers across the US for felon execution, however, when you look at the gas chamber at Auschwitz, there is no ventilation system, or anything to show there ever was. The chamber is also very close to what was the SS cafeteria and the hospital, a very stupid place to put it. Because of the location of the chamber, the gas would not dissipate into the air. Here is something from Fred Leuchters report (mention him later) 'This is totally inconsistent with intelligent gas handling design in that gas seepage would accumulate in this trench and, being sheltered from the wind, would not dissipate. This would make the entire area a death trap'
There are also reports, such as in the Hoess ‘confession’, that Nazi Sonderkommandos entered the chambers to remove the bodies’ just minutes after the gassings, and that they often did so whilst smoking, eating, and drinking. I am yet to see a gas mask which allows such a thing.
There is also no door connecting the gas chamber to the crematorium, even though they are right next to each other. So much for German efficiency.
Fred Leuchter, an American execution expert, was hired in 1988 by the Zundel Defence Team, to travel to Auschwitz and examine the gas chambers there. Before departing, he told the defence that he believed the Holocaust had taken place and if his findings supported it, he would testify as much in court.
He returned and testified in court that the gas chambers of Auschwitz could not have been used for their alleged purpose.
Here are a couple of figures concerning Jewish population.
World Almanac, 1929, pg. 727 -- 15,630,000
National Council of Churches 1930 -- 15,600 ,000
March 24, 1933, jewish newspaper Daily Express -- 14,000,000 jews worldwide
August 1934 Hitler becomes 'Fuhrer'.
World Almanac, 1940, pg. 129: World Jewish Population -- 15,319,359
World Almanac, 1941, pg. 510: World Jewish Population -- 15,748,091
World Almanac, 1942, pg. 849: World Jewish Population -- 15,192,089 ("Jews include Jews by race not necessarily by religion")
World Almanac USA, 1947, pg. 748: World Jewish Population -- 15,690,000
Looks fairly consistant.
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 1989: World Jewish Population --18,080,000
World Almanac & Book of Facts, 2001: World Jewish Population -- 13,200,000
Theres nearly 5 million less, but no jewish genocide.
Who benefits from the Holocaust?
Well, certainly Germany would not be able to go to war again, the Americans and Brits would sure be glad of that, after being the 'bad guys' in 2 wars and accusations of genocide, Germany wouldn’t have a leg to stand on.
Propaganda about alleged atrocities is an effective psychological weapon.
Here is an extract from a letter the British Ministry of Information sent to the higher British Clergy and the BBC On February 29, 1944:
“Experience has shown that the best distraction is atrocity propaganda directed against the enemy. Unfortunately the public is no longer so susceptible as in the days of "Corpse Factory", the "Mutilated Belgian Babies," and the "Crucified Canadians."
Your cooperation is therefore earnestly sought to distract public attention from the doings of the Red Army by your wholehearted support of various charges against the Germans and Japanese which have been and will be put into circulation by the Ministry.
Your expression of belief in such may convince others.
I am, sir, Your obedient servant
(signed)
H. Hewet, Assistant Secretary”
This letter is evidence that during World War II, the Allies used atrocity propaganda against Hitler Germany to distract their own people from the atrocities being committed primarily but not exclusively by the Red Army, their comrades, in the invasion of Europe as Hitler's war drew to an end.
World War I Allied atrocity propaganda made claims of the German ‘cadavers-into-soap factories’, the ‘chopped-off hands of Belgian babies’, the ‘crucified Canadian soldier’ stories - all of which proved to be lies, a post WWI Allied statesmen even apologized to the Germans for some of these.
The Governor of New York (after WWI), claimed that in 1917-18, the Germans had been “exterminating millions of Jews”, “6 million!”.
Then in 1919
"Six million men and women are dying ... eight hundred thousand children cry for bread. And this fate is upon them through no fault of their own, ... but through the awful tyranny of war and a bigoted lust for Jewish blood. In this threatened holocaust of human life ..." --The American Hebrew (New York, issue 582 of October 31, 1919)
The survivors aren't liars, unless they claim to know for sure the holocaust happened, they were simply told the same as us.
Another reason to manufatcture such as story:
Jewish leader Nahum Goldman wrote in his book 'The Jewish Paradox', on pages 123-5:
". . . the Germans will have paid out a total of 80 billion. . .Without the German reparations that started coming through during its first ten years as a state, Israel would not have half of its present infrastructure: All the trains in Israel are German, the ships are German, and the same goes for electrical installations and a great deal of Israel's industry . . . and that is setting aside the individual pensions paid to survivors. Israel today receives hundreds of millions of dollars in German currency each year . . . In some years the sums of money received by Israel from Germany has been as much as double or treble the contribution made by collections from international Jewry. Nowadays, there is no longer any opposition to the principle."
in 1989 there was a campaign to persuade Russian President Gorbachev to release the Auschwitz Death Registers taken in 1945 when the Red Army took over Auschwitz. A few months later he did, gave them to the Red Cross. They show why people in Auschwitz had died , the cause and time of death, personal info, and so on.
The registers showed 74,000 deaths, with about 30,000 of them being Jewish.
So those are the official figures from at the time, yet here is the original Auschwitz plaque:
And here is the newer one:
4 and 1.5 million
And a small note to end it:
"Eisenhower's Crusade in Europe is a book of 559 pages; the six
volumes of Churchill's Second World War total 4,448 pages; and
de Gaulle's three-volume Mémoires de guerre is 2,054 pages. In this
mass of writing, which altogether totals 7,061 pages (not including
the introductory parts), published from 1948 to 1959, one will find
no mention either of Nazi 'gas chambers,' a 'genocide' of the Jews,
or of 'six million' Jewish victims of the war."
Richard Lynn, Professor Emeritus, University of Ulster, December 5, 2005
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A few other small things I don't think I mentioned in there.
People often go on about the mass of bodies covering the ground at Auschwitz as proof of the Holocaust. These are just buried bodies that the allied forces dug up. If they were victims of the Holocaust, they would have been cremated. Of course, people died there, and people were killed there, but the bodies don't show execution by gas.
Survivors, I have never read or heard of a survivor saying they ever saw a gas chamber
All this points towards, imo, that there was no holocaust, at least in the form of gas chambers. Yes a lot of Jews and other people such as POW's and Germans were imprisoned and died at these concentration camps, though not nearly as much as in Stalins purges for example. If there was a mass execution, by gas or other means, I don't think quite as many died as we are lead to believe.
