Medicina natural vs Medicina convencional

[Soul_of_Darkness [RIP]]

Mas que "pessoas"?


Mostra-me um estudo em que a amostra não seja n=1 em que prove o contrário.

As pessoas no geral.

[UnderØath]

Mas que "pessoas"?


Mostra-me um estudo em que a amostra não seja n=1 em que prove o contrário.

As pessoas no geral.

Voces Sabem de Quem eu estou a falar...

[otnemeM]

Lol, ok. Ignora tudo o que possa ser prova e acredita nas coisas só porque alguém diz que sim. É esse o espírito

Já agora, do outro tópico, para ficar tudo em casa:

hmm... estranho, sendo a diabetes uma doença auto-imune

Só a T1 pode ser auto-imune, mas também pode ser espontâneo como foi infelizmente o caso de um(a) user aqui do fórum (que não vou dizer quem é).

Mais depressa acredito em fitoterapia que ajuda na T2 por provocar aumento de sensibilidade à hormona. Já há várias alternativa com alguns resultados conhecidos como o rALA.

[Cyberquake]

Mostra-me um estudo em que a amostra não seja n=1 em que prove o contrário.

Não uses esses termos complicados. =/

SoD. Eu quero muito, mas mesmo muito acreditar que tu não estejas a falar a sério, e só estejas a gozar connosco.

[Soul_of_Darkness [RIP]]

Mas que "pessoas"?


Mostra-me um estudo em que a amostra não seja n=1 em que prove o contrário.

As pessoas no geral.

Voces Sabem de Quem eu estou a falar...

[Inmist]

Agora que fui dar uma vista de olhos mais pormenorizada ao link que tu colocaste aqui é que me apercebi da existencia de vários tipos de diabetes. Isso de ser expontâneo parece-me que é a auto-imune. É a mais "esquisita" pois não se sabe dos motivos pelos quais o sistema imunitário "vê" as células do pancreas como "invasoras", atacando-as expontaneamente..

[BetinhoDoSludgeDrone]

Mostra-me um estudo em que a amostra não seja n=1 em que prove o contrário.

Não uses esses termos complicados. =/

SoD. Eu quero muito, mas mesmo muito acreditar que tu não estejas a falar a sério, e só estejas a gozar connosco.

Copião.

[Soul_of_Darkness [RIP]]

Mostra-me um estudo em que a amostra não seja n=1 em que prove o contrário.

Não uses esses termos complicados. =/

SoD. Eu quero muito, mas mesmo muito acreditar que tu não estejas a falar a sério, e só estejas a gozar connosco.

Não, não estou a gozar. Não brinco com saúde.

[otnemeM]

Agora que fui dar uma vista de olhos mais pormenorizada ao link que tu colocaste aqui é que me apercebi da existencia de vários tipos de diabetes. Isso de ser expontâneo parece-me que é a auto-imune. É a mais "esquisita" pois não se sabe dos motivos pelos quais o sistema imunitário "vê" as células do pancreas como "invasoras", atacando-as expontaneamente..

Não... auto-imune é quando a destruição das células beta (produtoras de insulina) se destroem de forma auto-imune num processo que envolve as células-T (salvo erro porque como estudo estas coisas por carolice e não por obrigação de saber endocrinologia ou microbiologia, posso cometer alguma imprecisão). Quando é espontâneo, a destruição ocorre de forma puramente espontânea/idiopática sem haver reacção auto-imune. Pode ser despoletado por coisas tão aparentemente simples como um forte abalo psicológico.

[bassbart]

Ainda estou à espera que escrevas a cura do cancro e da diabetes.

[Soul_of_Darkness [RIP]]

Ainda estou à espera que escrevas a cura do cancro e da diabetes.

Os seus desejos são ordens:

Cancro

The word ‘cancer ‘ comes from the latin "carcinoma" meaning crab. It is the most dreaded
disease and refers to all malignant tumours caused by the abnormal growth of a body cell or a
group of cells . It is today the second largest killer in the world, next only to heart ailments. The
term covers more than 200 diseases.
The majority of cancers occur in the age group 50-60. Sex does not affect the incidence of the
disease. It, however, affects the site of growth. In men, cancer is usually found in the intestines,
the prostate and the lungs. In women, it occurs mostly in the breast tissues, uterus, gall-bladder
and thyroid.

Symptoms

The symptoms of cancer vary according to the site of the growth. The American Cancer Society
has prescribed seven signs or danger signals in general which may indicate the presence of
cancer. These are : a sore that does not heal ; change in bowel or bladder habits ; unusual
bleeding or discharge ; thickening or lump in breast or elsewhere ; indigestion or difficulty in
swallowing ; obvious change in a wart or a mole, and a persistent and nagging cough or
hoarseness. Other symptoms may include unexplained loss of weight , particularly in older
people, a change in skin colour and changes in the menstrual periods, especially bleeding
between periods.

Causes

The prime cause of cancer is not known. Certain cancer- causing substances, known as
carcinogens, however, increase the chances of getting the disease. About 80 per cent of
cancers are caused by environmental factors . Forty per cent of male cancers in India are linked
with tobacco, a known cancer- causing agent. The consumption of pan, bettlenut, tobacco and
slaked lime has been linked with lung and throat cancers. Heavy consumption of alcoholic drinks
can cause oesophagal, stomach and liver cancers. Occupational exposure to industrial
pollutants such as asbestos, nickel, tar, soot and high doses of X-rays can lead to skin and lung
cancers and leukemia. Other factors contributing to cancer are vital infections, trauma, hormone
imbalance and malnutrition. Many well-known biologists and naturopaths, however, believe that
a faulty diet is the root cause of cancer. Investigations indicate that the cancer incidence is in
direct proportion to the amount of animal protein, particularly meat, in the diet. Dr. Willard J.
Visek, a renowned research scientist explained recently a link between excessive meat-eating
and cancer. According to him, the villain is ammonia, the carcinogenic by-product of meat
digestion.

Treatment

The effective treatment of cancer consists of a complete change in diet, besides total elimination
of all environmental sources of carcinogens, such as smoking and carcinogenic chemicals in air
, water and food. There has recently been a surge of popular interest in the concept that diet is
not just a minor, but rather a major factor in both the development and the prevention of cancer.
The disease can be prevented and even treated by dietary programmes that include ‘natural
foods ‘ and the use of megavitamin supplements.
As a first step, the patient should cleanse the system by thoroughly relieving constipation and
making all the organs of elimination - the skin, lungs, liver, kidneys and bowels - active. Enemas
should be used to cleanse the colon. For the first four or five days, the patient should take only
juicy fruits like oranges, grapefruits, lemons, apples, peaches, pears, pineapples and tomatoes.
Vegetable juices are also useful, especially carrot juice.
After a few days of an exclusive fruit diet, the patient may be given a nourishing alkaline-based
diet. It should consist of 100 per cent natural foods, with emphasis on raw fruits and vegetables,
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particularly carrots , green leafy vegetables, cabbage, onion, garlic , cucumber, asparagus,
beets and tomatoes. A minimum requirement of high quality protein, mostly from vegetable
sources such as almonds, millet, sesame seeds, sprouted seeds and grains, may be added to
the diet.
Dr. Ann Wigmore of Boston, U.S.A., the well-known naturopath and a pioneer in the field of living
food nutrition, has been testing the effect of a drink made of fresh wheatgrass in the treatment of
leukemia. She claims to have cured several cases of this disease by this method. Dr. Wigmore
points out that by furnishing the body with live minerals, vitamins, trace elements and chlorophyll
through wheatgrass juice, it may be able to repair itself.
Johanna Brandt, the author of the book ‘ The Grape Cure ‘ has advocated an exclusive grape
diet for the treatment of cancer. She discovered this mode of cure in 1925, while experimenting
on herself by fasting and dieting alternately in the course of her nine-year battle with cancer. She
claimed to have cured herself by this mode of treatment. She recommends a fast for two or three
days so as to prepare the system for the change of diet.
After the short fast, the patient should have a grape meat every two hours from 8 a.m. to 8 p.m.
This should be followed for a week or two even a month or two, in chronic cases of long
standing. The patient should begin the grape cure with a small quantity of 30, 60, to 90 grams
per meal, gradually increasing this to double the quantity. In course of time, about 250 grams
may safely be taken as a meal.
Recent researches have shown that certain vitamins can be successfully employed in the fight
against cancer and that they can increase the life expectancy of some terminal cancer patients.
According to recent Swedish studies vitamin C in large doses can be an effective prophylactic
agent against cancer. Noted Japanese scientist, Dr. Fukunir Morishige, and his colleagues who
have been examining the healing potential of vitamin C for the last 30 years, have recently found
that a mixture of vitamin C and copper compound has lethal effects on cancer.
According to several studies, vitamin A exerts an inhibiting effect on carcinogenesis. It is one of
the most important aids to the body’s defence system to fight and prevent cancer. Dr. Leonida
Santamaria and his colleagues at the University of Pavia in Italy have uncovered preliminary
evidence suggesting that beta-carotene, a precursor of vitamin A may actually inhibit skin cancer
by helping the body thwart the cancer-causing process known as oxidation.
Recent studies from all over the world suggest that a liberal use of green and yellow vegetables
and fruits can prevent cancer. The 20-years old, ongoing Japanese study found that people who
ate green and yellow vegetables every day had a decreased risk of developing lung, stomach
and other cancers. A Harvard University study of more than 1,200 elderly Massachusetts
residents found that those who reported the highest consumption of carrots, squash, tomatoes,
salads or leafy green vegetables, dried fruits, fresh strawberries or melon had a decreased risk
of cancer.
The other useful measures are plenty of rest, complete freedom from worries and mental stress
and plenty of fresh, pure air.

Diabetes

Diabetes mellitus is a nutritional disorders, characterized by an abnormally elevated level of
blood glucose and by the excretion of the excess glucose in the urine. It results from an absolute
or relative lack of insulin which leads to abnormalities in carbohydrate metabolism as well as in
the metabolism of protein and fat.
Diabetes is a disease known to the medical world since time immemorial. Its incidence is ,
however, much higher at present than ever in the past. This is especially true in case of more
advanced countries of the world due to widespread affluence and more generous food supply.
The most commonly-used screening tests are the determination of the fasting blood glucose
level and the two-hour postprandial, that is after a meal. The normal fasting blood sugar content
is 80 to 120 mg. per 100 ml. of blood and this can go up to a level of 180 mg. per 100 ml. of
blood two hours after meals. Anything above these norms can be termed diabetic levels.
Diabetes occurs in all age groups, from young infants to the elderly. The greatest incidence
occurs in middle or older aged persons. It is estimated that 80 to 85 per cent of all individuals
with diabetes mellitus are 45 years of age or older.

Symptoms

The word diabetes is derived from the Greek word meaning "to siphon to pass through", and
mellitus comes from the Latin word "honey". Thus two characteristic symptoms, namely, copious
urination and glucose in the urine give the name to the disease. The normal volume of urine
passed daily is about one and a half litres. The urine is of a pale colour, has an acidic reaction
and sweetish odour. The quantity of sugar present in it varies from one-and-quarter decigram to
two and-a-half grams the total per day in many cases reaching as much as one kg in 15 litres of
urine.
A diabetic feels hungry and thirsty most of the time, does not put on weight, though he eats
every now and then, and gets tired easily, both physically and mentally. He looks pale, may
suffer from anaemia, constipation, intense itching around the genital organs, palpitations and
general weakness. He feels drowsy and has a lower sex urge than a normal person.

Causes

Diabetes has been described by most biological doctors as a "prosperity" disease, primarily
caused by systematic overeating and consequent obesity. Not only the overeating of sugar and
refined carbohydrate but also of proteins and fats, which are transformed into sugar if taken in
excess, is harmful and may result in diabetes. Too much food taxes the pancreas and eventually
paralyses its normal activity. It has been estimated that the incidence of diabetes is four times
higher in persons of moderate obesity and 30 times higher in persons of severe obesity.
Grief, worry and anxiety also have a deep influence on the metabolism and may cause sugar to
appear in the urine. The disease may be associated with some other grave organic disorders
like cancer, tuberculosis and cerebral disease. Heredity is also a major factor in the development
of the disease. It has been rightly said, " Heredity is like a cannon and obesity pulls the trigger."

Treatment

Any successful method of diabetes treatment should aim at removal of the actual cause of the
disease and building up of the whole health-level of the patient. Diet plays a vital role in such a
treatment. The primary dietary consideration for a diabetic patient is that he should be a strict
lacto-vegetarian and take a low-calorie, low-fat, alkaline diet of high quality natural foods. Fruits,
nuts and vegetables, whole meal bread and dairy products form a good diet for the diabetic.
These foods are best eaten in as dry a condition as possible to ensure thorough salivation
during the first part of the process of digestion.
Cooked starchy foods should be avoided as in the process of cooking the cellulose envelops of
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the starch granules burst and consequently, the starch is far too easily absorbed in the system.
The excess absorbed has to be got rid of by the kidneys and appears as sugar in the urine. With
raw starchy foods, however, the saliva and digestive juices in the small intestine regulate the
quantities required to be changed into sugar for the body’s needs. The unused and undigested
portion of raw starchy foods does not become injurious to the system, as it does not readily
ferment.
The diabetic should not be afraid to eat fresh fruits and vegetables which contain sugar and
starch. Fresh fruits contain sugar fructose, which does not need insulin for its metabolism and is
well tolerated by diabetics. Fats and oils should be taken sparingly, for they are apt to lower the
tolerance for proteins and starches. Emphasis should be on raw foods as they stimulate and
increase insulin production. For protein, home- made cottage cheese, various forms of soured
milks and nuts are best. The patient should avoid overeating and take four or five small meals a
day rather than three large ones.
The following diet should serve as a guideline.
Upon arising : A glass of lukewarm water with freshly squeezed lemon juice.
Breakfast : Any fresh fruit with the exception of bananas, soaked prunes, a small quantity of
whole meal bread with butter and fresh milk.
Lunch : Steamed or lightly cooked green vegetables such as cauliflower, cabbage, tomatoes,
spinach, turnip, asparagus and mushrooms, two or three whole wheat chapatis according to
appetite and a glass of butter-milk or curd.
Mid-afternoon : A glass of fresh fruit or vegetable juice.
Dinner : A large bowl of salad made up of all the raw vegetables in season. The salad may be
followed by a hot course, if desired, and fresh home-made cottage cheese.
Bedtime Snack : A glass of fresh milk.
Flesh foods find no place in this regimen, for they increase the toxaemic condition underlying the
diabetic state and reduce the sugar tolerance. On the other hand, a non-stimulating vegetarian
diet, especially one made up of raw foods, promotes and increases sugar tolerance.
Celery, cucumbers, string beans, onion and garlic are especiallybeneficial. String bean pod tea
is an excellent natural substitute for insulin and highly beneficial in diabetes. The skin of the
pods of green beans are extremely rich in silica and certain hormone substances which are
closely related to insulin. One cup of string bean tea is equal to one unit of insulin. Cucumbers
contain a hormone needed by the cells of the pancreas for producing insulin. Onion and garlic
have proved beneficial in reducing blood sugar in diabetes.
Recent scientific investigations have established that bitter gourd (karela) is highly beneficial in
the treatment of diabetes. It contains an insulin-like principle, known as plant-insulin which has
been found effective in lowering the blood and urine sugar levels. It should, therefore, be
included liberally in the diet of the diabetic. For better results, the diabetic should take the juice
of about 4 or 5 fruits every morning on an empty stomach. The seeds of bitter gourd can be
added to food in a powdered form. Diabetics can also use bitter gourd in the form of decoction
by boiling the pieces in water or in the form of dry powder.
Another effective home remedy is jambul fruit known as jamun in the vernacular. It is regarded in
traditional medicine as a specific against diabetes because of its effect on the pancreas. The
fruits as such, the seeds and fruit juice are all useful in the treatment of this disease. The seeds
contain a glucoside ‘jamboline’ which is believed to have power to check the pathological
conversion of starch into sugar in cases of increased production of glucose. They should be
dried and powdered. This powder should be taken mixed in milk , curd or water.
The patient should avoid tea, coffee and cocoa because of their adverse influence on the
digestive tract. Other foods which should be avoided are white bread, white flour products, sugar
tinned fruits, sweets, chocolates, pastries, pies, puddings, refined cereals and alcoholic drinks.
The most important nutrient in the treatment of diabetes is manganese which is vital in the
production of natural insulin. It is found in citrus fruits, in the outer covering of nuts, grains and in
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the green leaves of edible plants. Other nutrients of special value are zinc, B complex vitamins
and poly-unsaturated fatty acids.
Exercise is also an important factor in the treatment of diabetes. Light games, jogging and
swimming are recommended. Yogic asanas such as bhujangasana, shalabhasana,
dhanurasana, paschimottanasana, sarvangasna, halasana, ardha-matsyendrasana and
shavasana, yogic krisyas like jalneti and kunajl and pranayamas such as kapalbhati,
anuloma-viloma and ujjai are highly beneficial.
Hydrotherapy and colonic irrigations form a very important part of treatment. The colon should
be thoroughly cleansed every second day or so, until the bowel discharge assumes normal
characteristics. Bathing in cold water greatly increases the circulation and enhances the capacity
of the muscles to utilise sugar.
The diabetic patient should eliminate minor worries from his daily life. He must endeavor to be
more easy-going and should not get unduly worked up by the stress and strain of life.

Fonte: Complete Handbook of Natural Cures - Fasting Cure

[meninobesta]

Cura para o atropelamento -> usar passadeiras!

[Bronze [RIP]]

Penso que se adapta ao tema... "para uma vida saudável, coma mulheres com fibra"

[subathory [RIP]]

Cura para o atropelamento -> usar passadeiras!

Diz isso as senhoras que tavam em frente ao min das finanças.

[Inmist]

Agora que fui dar uma vista de olhos mais pormenorizada ao link que tu colocaste aqui é que me apercebi da existencia de vários tipos de diabetes. Isso de ser expontâneo parece-me que é a auto-imune. É a mais "esquisita" pois não se sabe dos motivos pelos quais o sistema imunitário "vê" as células do pancreas como "invasoras", atacando-as expontaneamente..

Não... auto-imune é quando a destruição das células beta (produtoras de insulina) se destroem de forma auto-imune num processo que envolve as células-T (salvo erro porque como estudo estas coisas por carolice e não por obrigação de saber endocrinologia ou microbiologia, posso cometer alguma imprecisão). Quando é espontâneo, a destruição ocorre de forma puramente espontânea/idiopática sem haver reacção auto-imune. Pode ser despoletado por coisas tão aparentemente simples como um forte abalo psicológico.

Células T ou Linfócitos T, é a mesma coisa. São componentes do sistema imunitário.
o termo "doença auto-imune" advém do sistema imunitário se virar contra o próprio corpo. No caso da Diabetes1 é contra as células beta do pancreas - como referiste e bem.

Em relação à ocorrencia de auto-destruição sem a intervenção do sistema imunitário de forma espontânea desconheço isso. Forte abalo psicológico... talvês. A força psicológica tem influencia em tudo.
Também se crê que haja pré-disposição genética.

As doenças suto-imunes são um dos campos da medicina que menos se conhece. Pode-se saber como actua o sistema imunitário, que deixou de reconhecer os antigenios de determinada célula como sendo os do seu corpo, atacando-os por isso, mas desconhece-se o que faz com que as células do sistema imunitário percam essa capacidade de reconhecer o que é seu do que não é... mutações no sistema imunitário devido a vírus? não se sabe...